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HuronKing

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06.07.2008, 03:32

Tablet Kindles New Debate on Messiah

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/world/…=rssnyt&emc=rss

I am anxiously looking forward to when more scholars get a crack at examining the tablet and when those who have done so get their reports published.

Based on this article though, I can't say I am particularly surprised by the Messianic references in the tablet, even the part which says "3 days."

The "sign of Jonah" used by Jesus in the Bible was obviously drawing on pre-existing Jewish traditions.
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06.07.2008, 03:46

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...especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.


Seeing how that depends on the interpretation of the Hebrew text, I'm gonna guess that no it doesn't say that. ;)

All joking aside, it was an interesting read. Do you think this is evidence against or for the resurrection of Christ HuronKing?

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06.07.2008, 04:15

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Originally posted by CNCTeMa

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...especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.


Seeing how that depends on the interpretation of the Hebrew text, I'm gonna guess that no it doesn't say that. ;)

All joking aside, it was an interesting read. Do you think this is evidence against or for the resurrection of Christ HuronKing?


I don't see it as evidence for or against in either direction. The text speaks prophetically about some kind of messiah. Ok, thats really nothing new at all. Jewish prophecies are filled with that stuff.

The part that has people especially interested is that it "may" be getting specific and talking about a resurrection of the Messiah. Not only will this Messiah rise from the dead, but he'll do it in three days.

If anything, I think this tablet provides a good context for the frame of mind the people around Jesus must have been in. It also provides contentual substance to the Biblical account.
That is, it lends credence to the idea of Jesus having predecessors like John the Baptist who did prepared the way for Jesus by preaching the analogies Jesus would later use (like the "sign of Jonah" analogy).

The New Testament authors make it no secret they are steeped in Jewish tradition. The fact that the Gospel of Mark depicts Jesus referring to himself as "the son of Man" while being written to Gentiles is well-established evidence of the Jewishness of early Christianity.

Then again, most of what I said above is only in response to what I read in the article. Preliminary conjecture if you will. I'd like to see what the experts have to say.
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06.07.2008, 12:59

So the resurrection after three days is the important bit here? It could as well be about Mithra then, or quite a few others from the scores of prophets that walked the region or the deities that hovered above the land before and around the time of Jesus.

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07.07.2008, 09:20

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So the resurrection after three days is the important bit here? It could as well be about Mithra then, or quite a few others from the scores of prophets that walked the region or the deities that hovered above the land before and around the time of Jesus.


I have serious doubts any Jewish tablet in Hebrew would be referring to Mithras.

The latter is far more likely, that this tablet represents a body of evidence surrounding the longstanding Jewish belief in a Messiah.
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