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12.05.2005, 12:58

Tracker community not wanted by Army and GameDevelopers!?

[SIZE=1]Official Mods and Betatesters were speaking about tracker after we asked the official side for more support. We asked them to give us permission to track advanced stats (to track more teamplay stats like objectives and medic stats) and prayed not to lose our basic tracking abililties in aao 2.5.0 when they remove GameSpy from their code.

Now it's the first time they speak in the public and some Betas and Mods told us what the army and DEVs are thinking about this website and its community. I know a long time that they think on this way, but they never talked about it in the public forums.

I am sure you can still remember the thread from [DEV]AceKilla some months ago where he told us that he would be happy if tracker exists in the future and he would be happy if tracker could co-exist with their new official tracker system. As you can see now this was not true. The Army is working on their own tracker because they think they can do it better and they don't like it to not to have the control over something. As soon as they release their own tracker, our tracker will probably not longer work because GameSpy (required for us to track basic stats) will get removed in the gamecode. What a nice co-existens ...

Just thought to let you know the reasons for this, posted by mods for the army, betas and some long time members:

  • Tracker promotes run and gun gameplay geared at getting a good Kill to Death Ratio.
  • Army does not condone this type of warfare
  • AAOT is nice 3rd party service, it is perpetuating a mentality of players trying to skip the purpose of teamplay for lone gunman styles
  • The players going for fragrate and not playing the game as intended do so because they can
  • The fact is that Tracker does perpetuate the community into a state of competition with others over things other than teamplay
  • The tracker has ruined the game. It would be better without tracker.
  • People camp for kills instead of helping their team and this only because tracker
  • Tracker is the issue, the whole concept of tracking
  • Fix the game sure, but get rid of the tracking
  • It serves no logical purpose other than tracking personal stats, which really isn't needed
  • tracker ruin the ideals of the game
  • Tracker promotes ramboish tatics
  • The Army doesn't need Tracker. It would be better without.
  • Tracker is nice, but as we've been trying to say is that it is not helping into promoting a teamwork environment, it's more hindering it.
  • tracker is indeed a catalyst to the "Rambo Stigma" that currently floats over A.A.
  • The current bulk of the tracker community is ignoring teamplay tactics


So it doesn't really looks like we will ever get listed as fansite, downloadpartner and that we will never get the permission (just a word; technical stuff already exists and we could start it right now) to start tracking teamplay and other nice stats on honor servers and it still looks like they will remove all tracking abilities in one of the next patches so that our tracker can not work anymore. We are the reason for all those bad teamplay, all rambos just rushing because tracker exists and nearly all cheaters and hackers cheat because their fragrate on tracker suxx. Without tracker there would be no cheaters anymore, everyone would play in a team with teamwork and all rambos would stop rushing.

I would be happy to know what YOU think about this. Do you think that our tracker is really one of the main reason for all rambos, cheaters and bad teamplay? If so ... what can we do make better? The Mods and Betas there can just complain but they can not tell us what we could make better. Why you are here and browsing our website and stats? Is it only to compare your fragrate or are there are reasons for you to stay here in the community? Or do you think the DEVs and Army is wrong and missing the point ?? What do you think about that?

Source: http://forum.americasarmy.com

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12.05.2005, 13:03

pah-- holy shit. without tracker the game isn´t the same.

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12.05.2005, 13:03

but surely when the DEV's create their tracker it will "promote" rambo-tactics, apparently like tracker has. Personally i don't even play for stats. Obviously its nice to have a reminder of how you're playing, but my tactics, will have and always have been, rush.

This is a sad day for AA. The DEV's has finally come out their shells and shown their true colours.

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12.05.2005, 13:05

NO WAY!

why do you think ppl play this game??

without Tracker this game will be a ghost town in no time!

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12.05.2005, 13:07

whitout tracker nobody play this game.
maybe i but not so much as now
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12.05.2005, 13:07

We will probably lose a lot of players because most people play for competition. I dont know what they think they will achieve by taking tracker out. Everyone will play exactly the same, no one taught us the "right way to play." Plus tracker is the number one way through which clans can recruit. When you have a clan on a server, you are less likely to have as many Rambos.
Maybe im right or maybe im just a moron..

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12.05.2005, 13:08

hmph..

Tracker is one of reasons why this game is so good :wacko:
That really sucks if they take it away from us :ranting:
i absolutely agree with unnamed on that protest thing. :mad:

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12.05.2005, 13:08

I must ask is there anything to do cause I want to, real jurks... I must admit I camped and reconnected when I was a noob. When I realised I am a real idiot and suck with things like closecombats and that kinda stuff I made new tracker and started to play other ways. Tracker is just the best community AA has created. If they make tracking not possible I aint register to their SHIT.

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12.05.2005, 13:08

w00t Daz

Rushing is so much fun and makes the game realy exciting when you rush and get a good few kills before you get killed in most cases :P

I do think and sorta know that quite a few people here on tracker do hack and play that style for a good FR, all they do when they get caught is create there new account and change there tracker ingame name. Pretty lame. But i would like to see how the army would work there tracking system to make this not possible anymore. We shall see.

Be sad to see this tracker go though :mad:

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12.05.2005, 13:09

well, i have to admit that i don`t want my stats to be tracked anymore. It`s not because i suck at this game it`s more because i quit playing after having some terrible rounds. Many people do judge you cause your fragrate and even in your clan people sometimes look at the fragrate as well as the honor points.

I think this is a personally thing. If you like it when your stats get tracked, then go for it but if you don`t like it, just leave it.

My hole clan quit the tracking system and since then we have more fun than before as nobody cares too much about having terrible rounds.

But i have to admit, without tracker, we will loose this forum and this would be the biggest lost for me.

I love this Forum and many good decisions took place here, it would be a pitty if we all loose this.

So according to my last point i have to say, PLEASE ARMY LET TRACKER EXIST.
God will hate you if you vote for McCain/Palin.

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12.05.2005, 13:10

What a load of crap.

I have played better since I joined the tracker. My tactic's haven't changed since joining, just got better with the tactic's forum here.

I agree with Daz.

AAOTracker all the way!!

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12.05.2005, 13:13

No Aaotracker, no America's Army

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12.05.2005, 13:14

I´m not using tracker to see fr and such things (altough it´s nice to have some stats to look at when tired)

I refuse to install X-fire( - ?) to find my buddies and clanmates, 1 click on tracker is soo much better.

(i know that the official tracker might be able to do that aswell.. but this site is soo much faster then americasarmy.com :hehe: )
Jag älskar att äga.

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12.05.2005, 13:14

To bad the army thinxs this way without you homey AAo wouldn't be this much fun your tracking system is great.
But maybey they are right about the fragrate maybey you can let it louk less inportent by not letting other people see someone's Fragrate or wathever anyway if the army does go on with there idee i want to thank you for all the lovely moments on this site and hope the tournament mode of this site will stay. ?(
Btw most important of all should be the experience, activity and popularity points (tip)

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12.05.2005, 13:14

man that sucks AAO TRacker has done SO MUCH for the community honestly beside the game the stats are what make it even better then it is with out stats, and i'm no stat whore if u look at my stats alot of ppl play just for teamwork as the army says that is what the game is intended for but we have so many clans listed and i'm sure most if not all have the intention of playing together and not be lone gun men stat whores, would be nice if they could atleast include AAO Tracker in there new tracker development so our community can be involved in the process.

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12.05.2005, 13:15

Some of the things they sayd its true a lot of ppl dosent play as a team not even some clans because they only think in the fragrate they will have as an individual not as a team
maybe changing the game play with the new Q-course it will start to be more team work BUT THE TRACKER ITS NOT RESPONSABLE FOR THE FRAGRATE NOOBS THIS IS A COMUNITY,JUST BECAUSE THIS FR NOOBS WE MAY LOST ALL THE EFORTS MADE BY THE TRACKER TEAM TO MAKE THE TRACKER WHAT IT IS TODAY ONE OF THE BIGGEST GAMING COMUNITIES IN THE WORLD. If any DEV should read this ask the Players of the game what they think about it not just finish it you guys will see that we all whant this to continue... A BIG HOOAH TO ALL THE TRACKER TEAM

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12.05.2005, 13:15

Quoted

Originally posted by [-PB-R-]Timppa
hmph..

Tracker is one of reasons why this game is so good :wacko:
That really sucks if they take it away from us :ranting:
i absolutely agree with unnamed on that protest thing. :mad:


:crazy: I agree

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12.05.2005, 13:16

:ranting: if the tracker goes down tha game is gone!!

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12.05.2005, 13:16

This really is f**ked up man without this tracker i don't wanna play anymore.:unsure:

Man This Sucks..!!:ranting:

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12.05.2005, 13:17

oh and another thing this game wouldn't be what it is today without tracker in the community i can back my whole word on that honestly how many ppl would play this game "as much" if AAO Tracker hadn't existed compared to it being in existence.